this president runs his foreign policy with tom donelan national security advisor, joe biden, dennis mcdonough out of the white house to a large extent, larger than most presidents have since back to nixon. and i think both chuck hagel and brennan will be part of a team but very much in the mold of taking orders on the big decisions from the white house. with senator hague until he's confirmed really focuses, as david said, on managing the building, trying to find a way to reform the mission, post-9/11 world and a world with more orientation towards asia. but clearly with a premium put on defense cuts and if the sequester isn't worked out, maybe defense cuts right away. >> rose: hagel was a businessman before he became a politician. does she management skills? >> that's an open question. people are just now deviling into the business career. it's certainly there's -- look, there's almost no management challenge in the country like managing that building. there's complexities involved. frequently people use the metaphor of how difficult it is to turn an aircraft carrier. there's a lot